In this week's podcast we continue our series of listening to voices of people of color. Marte Riley joins us to talk about her experience in white religious spaces. She also talks to us about what white people can do to stand next to and support their African American friends. Then she closes out the podcast with a poem she wrote. 

This week Derwin and his wife Vicki from Transformation Church join us. We talk about his book The HD Leader. We talk about sharks. We talk about swimming. We talk about why we should have multi-ethnic churches and how to go about cultivating them. The Derwin closes us out with a devotional on the Samaritan Women.  

Joel's good friend Anthony English joins us on the podcast this week. We are setting aside the month of June to bring on guests of color to teach us and so that we can learn and lament. Anthony is a huge star wars and DC geek so we had a good chat about that and laugh a ton then we head into the deeper waters. 

Jessica talks about a few different people she would like to put a pox on. Joel talks about a recent couples massage he just had. Then Jess gives a devotional based on the Netflix show Dead To Me.